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greetings to all the lovers of the

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the sky watchers of the night

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hello citizens and welcome to unknown

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i'm jason mcclellan i'm here with my

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favorite people today

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maureen ellsberry ryan sprague shane

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hurd and i are all here for our monthly

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ufo happy hour

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thanks for hanging out with us and guys

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you know i i don't say it enough but i

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really do

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appreciate you guys making the time and

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i look forward to

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our monthly happy hour hangouts thanks

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for being here guys

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well the whole point of these is for us

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to get together

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and kind of look back at the stories

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that have made some headlines

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in uh the specific month and we're at

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the end of february here as we're

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recording this

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so as there always are a lot of ufo

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related stories that happened this month

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and so i guess looking back let's start

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at one that

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probably made the the biggest buzz and

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and the most headlines and certainly in

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the ufo community

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and that was about ufo debris

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and allegations that here we go again

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the pentagon

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admitted to us that they have ufo debris

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so shane you want to tell us about this

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story yeah there's a ufo researcher by

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the name of anthony brugalia and he

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posted a

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an article recently that was pretty

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sensational at least the headline on it

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and that was pentagon admits it has ufo

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debris

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releases test results and this was based

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on a

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foia article that he had submitted our

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foia request

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in 2017 and he got the information

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back let me just give you an excerpt

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from the beginning of the article

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it says a stunning admission by the u.s

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government that it possesses ufo debris

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was recently made in response to a

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freedom of information act request

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filed over three years ago by this

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author

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in a reply letter the u.s defense

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intelligence agency

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has ended decades of speculation by

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verifying that ufo material

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has indeed been recovered

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however his interpretation goes in

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to tie in the roswell crash its debris

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as well as robert bigelow

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you know asap and atip all of those

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and he did receive some pretty

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interesting stuff though

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he he got uh technical reports five of

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durds and those have been actually the

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subject of discussion for a while

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allegedly there's like 38 of them

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uh they're supposed to exist and many

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related directly to ufo recovery

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and and the the debris and the

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scientific you know analysis of that

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um and five were returned in this one uh

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metallic glass another biomaterials and

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there's already controversy regarding

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that interpretation

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that it's an admission by the dod and

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related to ufo or uap at all rather the

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not roswell not uap not ufos just simply

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i think we all know john's a highly

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the durds is being ignored because of

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implications of it being directly

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john did a little video kind of talking

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that point and then anthony came back

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some comments i'll just read these two

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tweets first one is by

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anthony you said i wish you'd let me

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know that you're going to do a video

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critique of my article i would have been

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able to respond point by point

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you are misleading viewers by having

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them believe that the dia was responding

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to anything

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other than a very specific unambiguous

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for test results on uap and ufo material

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the reply from the dia was to provide me

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technical reports on extraordinary

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no matter what you're implying it seems

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that the context in which i received the

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documents was in direct response

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to requests for information derived from

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recovered ufo debris

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and the testing of potentially

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you naively assume that such reports

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would actually reference

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aliens roswell etc it does not work that

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and you're thinking that these technical

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reports would discuss such things in

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such a way

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shows that you do not have a true grasp

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of material science and

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engineering studies my requests for

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documents were for the aerospace

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but there's deliberate obfuscation and

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purposeful confusion

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coming from the dia the program operated

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earlier under another name

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and that was aawsa and the documents are

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stamped with this program rather than

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atip this allows the dia to claim the

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studies related to an advanced military

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weapons program for defense

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rather than to an aero program

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identifying possible threats from outer

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and the associated retrieval of flying

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i've contacted two of the scientist

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authors what they say will be reported

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in a future article this was not a

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mistake

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on the part of the dia and provided me

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with those reports

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so here's john's response actually i did

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not feel the need to contact you you

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and the foia response in full that was

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all i needed

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i specifically addressed your foia and

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the fact that your line item number five

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likely triggered them to have the five

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responsive documents they did

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nothing else i've worked with the dia

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for nearly 25 years and have learned how

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they respond to requests which echoes

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out of many foia offices the reports

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were close to your item five and they

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were given

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an unclassified or for official

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use only stamps they release them to

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address your line item

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for you to imply that any of that is

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connected to uap debris

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is misleading at best in addition there

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are many things your article i did not

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as a courtesy that i wasn't trying to

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attack you rather to address the foia

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however for you to have an entire

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section about how reports had been

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and how you were confused on why they

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would redoct the names you again

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yet again is misleading and factually

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incorrect you fail to inform your

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readers that

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those were unauthorized leaks of fo

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duo material they were never officially

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released so your entire section with

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your accusation is also

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wrong there plain and simple not a

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single page of your release has anything

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they coincide with what asap was about

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and to have a headline with the content

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such as yours is entirely misleading and

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does this build zero favors

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there are other factual errors in your

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article which i would recommend you bet

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i'm not here to attack you but rather to

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put the foia documents in the proper

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i'm sorry to say your article did not

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you had a story with what you got

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meaning the durds but tainted the

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importance

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as it's now overshadowed by speculation

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that's not my opinion but rather a fact

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that the documents you show

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do not violate a single claim of your

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debris and analysis claims i

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stand by my video so i'm certain there's

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going to be more to this story as time

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goes by but

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imagine that controversy with ufo

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but i think we've all seen that tendency

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to sensationalize stuff

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and it's something we constantly have to

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battle so um

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but you know given nothing's ever black

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and white with ufos i'm sure

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you know we're gonna have to hear more

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and it's left up to us to

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you know form our opinion until that

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gets sorted from fiction

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you know yeah the clowns are out

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closer no but i you know this is tough

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you know everyone likes a a good drama

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like

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exchange and they're both telling each

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other that they're both being misleading

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which is hard because you know uh

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bragalia got some

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really interesting stuff that's never

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been made public before

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which is awesome but the issue being

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it has nothing to do with uap as far as

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we know um i

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understand why he would assume that

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if he did put a request in for

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information on uap

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material and this is what they gave him

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i could see

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why his brain would go that way but then

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to put out an article with a headline

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saying the government's studying the

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material at roswell

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like there is a huge gap between those

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two you cannot connect

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those dots so simply so i mean calling

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john misleading

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is extremely hypocritical in this sense

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and john can be harsh and you know a lot

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of people hate him for that but i think

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the videos he put out were very clear

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very concise

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and he spoke to hal put off the guy who

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you know the requests for those dirds

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in so that's really important too we

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know who filed the original dirts and

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everything

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so yeah that's that's my take on it i

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think it's like you said there's no

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black and white on this but

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his headline was extremely misleading

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and of course

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that's what all the sensational

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newspapers and news sites were picking

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up on

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and that does not do our field any

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service no and you you have to know that

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and especially you know a lot of us have

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backgrounds in journalism

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of that just screams that you were

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trying to

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a put false narrative out there just

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claiming those views basically like i

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know if i write it like this

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this is going to be picked up and go

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viral um and again

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like you said it's it's a disservice we

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need to be

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very blatant with with facts and

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research

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and also put in objectivity into

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everything

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otherwise it just comes off as another

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crazy ufo researcher throwing out some

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some information in it shadows like you

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said the the

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importance and the coolness of the durds

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and

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given to him from this foia request

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it's it's really just that

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one mistake you make that can carry and

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and sensationalize that so much

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and so that's unfortunate um

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and we we all just need to do our due

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diligence and i do

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appreciate john's response i think

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he was was uh was kind

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yeah so to speak in how he did it

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how he went about it for john yeah so

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we'll see but yeah like you said it's

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it's not the end of this

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this debate and i think this this plays

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into a lot of other things going on in

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the field right now too

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that we'll touch on later as well but i

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think uh

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you know john's response and insight

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into this particular instance

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instance is extremely valuable because

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of john's background

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john's intimate knowledge with this

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process and i encourage people to

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go on the black vault and read the

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article that john wrote about this or

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watch on his youtube channel the

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explanation that he provides because he

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does

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explain very convincingly

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and you know responsibly though

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the reason why there would be the type

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of response

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that anthony did get specific wordings

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specific um expedited requests

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that would merit the response that was

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given

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and another big problem i have with the

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the assumptions being made here

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are the problems that i have with a lot

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of people i think there's this this

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weird thing that's accepted

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um in some parts of the ufo research

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community and that is this

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this just acceptance of

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reading between the lines like that's an

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actual thing or

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that actually works in a scientific

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study

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like we can't go down that that line of

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thinking of saying

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well we didn't we didn't get the answer

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we wanted

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so we'll pretend that we did by reading

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between the lines because that's where

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all the real information is it's just

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it's ridiculous and like you said it

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just makes the whole thing seem

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ridiculous

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and it muddies anything possibly

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interesting

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that was generated from those requests

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like you said

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it it shifts the attention somewhere

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else where the attention doesn't belong

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and i mean for anthony it seems weird

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also to always bring it back to roswell

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especially since there's some really bad

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roswell baggage there to begin with

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talking about the roswell slides so i

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mean i would have left out the roswell

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comparison altogether but that's just me

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but yeah i think the whole thing seems

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silly and

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it doesn't do anybody any favors to go

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down that line of thinking

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anytime you have to start connecting

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dots

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i think that's a red flag already

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because you're going to have to make

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assumptions

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that's just sort of a dangerous tact to

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take and

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you know and again i know professional

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journalists kind of you know they get

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that and they're careful with that but

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and the other thing i would just say is

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i would always defer to john when it

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came to

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foyer request and the wording because

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that is literally some

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it's a game that's played you know

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it it's wordsmithing and it it's it's

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all this stuff

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and like in john's video i thought it

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was really good about

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you know kind of explaining that little

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bit of a game that goes on

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with the wording and you know you have

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to understand it but that only comes

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with

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experience you know like he was

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identifying things where

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you know the the their response is

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usually cut and paste and

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you know certain phrases and words are

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actually a clue to something else and

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if you don't know that and you know i'm

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not criticizing anthony on that part but

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you know it it always has to be

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interpreted

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what you get back in a foia and you know

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you

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that interpretation correct

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interpretation has to come from

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experience as well so and i just thought

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this was

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one of those scenarios where boy it

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would have been wise to tread a little

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more carefully and let this thing

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organically grow

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and not you know blessed out of the gate

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with that whole sensationalistic type

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type presentation i thought you were

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going to go into the

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assume makes an ass out of you and me uh

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route their

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i like cliches but not that much

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well you know we're certainly not

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getting away from discussion

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and speculation about ufo materials

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that's a hot issue

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right now and it's going to continue to

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be especially throughout this year

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no question about that and you know

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we heard more of that this month one of

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our favorite people robert bigelow has

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been popping up in headlines this month

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because he's been promoting his latest

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effort focused on exploring the unknown

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and that is this time being

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consciousness and surviving death

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and of course bigelow has a long and

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legendary career investigating

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and even facilitating the research of

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various paranormal phenomena

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so naturally in recent interviews

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robert bigelow's ufo research has come

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up

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and you probably remember the notable

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new york times article from december 16

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19 or

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2017 that revealed the pentagon's ufo

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program a tip

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and also described buildings being

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modified at bigelow aerospace to house

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materials from

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recovered ufos but now we're getting

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clarification from bigelow himself

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about this housing ufo material thing

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in recent interviews with investigative

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journalist george knapp

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bigelow explains that they never had any

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ufo material

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and you know bigelow was recently on the

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joe rogan podcast as well

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and you know again saying that never had

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any material

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so this is all you know kind of coming

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back around

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where i think a lot of people were under

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the assumption

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that robert bigelow in all of his

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decades of of researching this subject

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you know had all this recovered ufo

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material

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and people have been operating under

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that assumption with everything that

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asap did and atip and to the stars

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academy

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you know all of this talk about ufo

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material but then

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now it's coming out that a lot of the

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sources of you know

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people's expectations or assumptions

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they're saying

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don't have any so what do you guys think

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about that

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first off it drives me crazy that when

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these are things that have been going

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around for a long time

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that bigelow or someone else hasn't gone

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on the record of saying hey i was

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misquoted or

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um you know louis elizondo as well like

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this was taken out of context and

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everyone needs to understand that

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it was in preparation for not that we

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actually have these materials in

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existence

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and you know it kind of skirts the line

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where

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i think uh was bigelow involved in

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the piece that was at the atomic testing

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museum the george knapp

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um recovered metal from um

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uh the the height 411 case um

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back in the day so technically there's

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some leeway of like maybe he does have

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some material that has been studied

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scientifically

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um but but yes that it blew up in such a

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way that we thought that

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there were a lot more um background to

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this and a whole warehouse basically it

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sounded like

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that was storing these extraterrestrial

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space metals

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um so yeah i mean i i really think that

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when these stories

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come out or these research pieces that

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people have to do the due diligence of

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of saying

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this was not right and we saw this with

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the israeli prime minister as well where

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that that was wasn't necessarily a

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misquote it was a mistranslation

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uh but that story blew up in such a way

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that it was it was

549
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so completely out of context and i think

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that's a similar thing that's what's

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happening here

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so yeah as we know we usually get these

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big buildups of like oh my gosh all this

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cool stuff is happening and then we get

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taken back down to

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yeah the only thing i would add is you

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know why well i was disappointed to hear

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bigelow say that um i think he

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definitely has a future in storage i

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mean

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he was storing bob lazar's furniture

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he was going to be storing these ufo

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materials so i think he's got a future

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in that but um i think more importantly

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um

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is going to be talking all about the

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materials that he studied

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with uh gary nolan so you know while

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we kind of shy away from bigelow and

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everything he did

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i think we have something to look

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forward to in terms of materials

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in the study of them with valet so

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um if anything i think the future looks

575
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,000
bright when it comes to

576
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:46,960
studying materials for sure yeah and i

577
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:47,760
would just say

578
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,559
i'm still you you guys may think

579
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:52,320
differently but

580
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,679
i'm still skeptical that any of this

581
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,120
debris is

582
00:21:00,950 --> 00:21:00,480
from a ufo i mean there's no provenance

583
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,960
of that

584
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,360
there's no one claiming on this date and

585
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:05,600
dislocation and time in this crash this

586
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:06,320
is

587
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,520
no that it's all allegedly from a ufo

588
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:11,760
who where did they get it you know like

589
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:12,720
the piece from

590
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,080
linda moulton howe you know she that

591
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,760
that was a piece someone gave to her

592
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,520
that said it was from the ufo

593
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,679
right and then it got passed on and you

594
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,880
know well

595
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,919
how how do we know that i mean

596
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,520
as far as i know the government's not

597
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,400
saying these aren't from a ufo

598
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,039
it's articles are written to suggest

599
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,720
that but

600
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,120
you know show me the proof first i don't

601
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,000
care what you decide what it is or isn't

602
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,240
with no provenance you can't prove that

603
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,559
came from a ufo yeah

604
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,400
really i so i don't need to go up on

605
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,559
that but even in that original article

606
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:51,760
that's saying he had materials well

607
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:54,559
you know it's easy to say but prove it

608
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,520
you know so i don't

609
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:58,000
i don't even know if we have any and if

610
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,039
you don't have a

611
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,520
material from a crashed ufo then maybe

612
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,440
you don't have crashed ufos

613
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,799
yeah you know what i mean i mean again

614
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,480
i struggle with that whole thing anyway

615
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,240
bring john greenwald back back

616
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,480
up we already talked about him but again

617
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:14,080
he did a really good job

618
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:17,600
of reaching out to people involved with

619
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,039
this specific story you know talking to

620
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,840
leslie kane with ralph blumenthal two of

621
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,480
the authors of that new york times story

622
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,880
where the modifications of buildings was

623
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:29,600
mentioned

624
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,480
and you know there's some conflicting

625
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:33,679
comments there too

626
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,200
where leslie says that you know she was

627
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,840
convinced that you know that was was

628
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:41,200
taking place

629
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,799
um but luella lozando said you know

630
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,640
there never was any material and you

631
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,480
know that was all for assap anyway and

632
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,960
he wasn't part of assap it was atip

633
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,679
um and you know he lou was a big source

634
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,200
for that new york times story so that's

635
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,720
where a lot of the information came from

636
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:58,960
so that's confusing but rob blumenthal

637
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,840
you know is firmly behind the the idea

638
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,720
that there was

639
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:05,280
and is ufo material being researched and

640
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:06,240
studied

641
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,159
um but again uh john reached out to

642
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,000
help put off and hal said no that's

643
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,840
right there wasn't material

644
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,760
so you know all these key players saying

645
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,039
there wasn't material

646
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:19,520
but you bring up a good point shane and

647
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,080
that is

648
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,159
you know the the arts parts the the

649
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,600
linda mullen howell

650
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,159
materials that we know have been tested

651
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,840
mourinho brought up the

652
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,919
material that george knapp had that he

653
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,960
brought from russia

654
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,600
that he also said he gave some to robert

655
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,440
bigelow so

656
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,760
and jacques valet has these materials

657
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:40,159
and frank kimbler has these materials

658
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:40,480
and

659
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,480
of people have materials

660
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:47,200
and maureen you and i especially uh

661
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:47,679
became

662
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,320
infinite intimately familiar with that

663
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:52,480
working at open minds because

664
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,240
having an office a business that existed

665
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,760
existed solely for the purpose of

666
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,240
researching ufos and extraterrestrials

667
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:03,600
um and a storefront office

668
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,640
we had countless people who would

669
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,240
either make appointments or just

670
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,559
randomly show up to the office

671
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,880
and want to talk to us about their

672
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:14,159
materials that they were in

673
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,679
possession of and show us those

674
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,000
materials and to your point shane this

675
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,279
is this is the provenance of i would say

676
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,480
a hundred percent

677
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,919
of alleged ufo material it's people

678
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,279
coming and saying

679
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,320
i have this material from a ufo

680
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,120
and some have pretty elaborate stories

681
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:35,120
about how they shot down ufos so they

682
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,600
know

683
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,320
that was uh the one i tested on when i

684
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,520
was uh doing the

685
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:42,400
uncovering aliens project or so a lot of

686
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:42,880
yeah

687
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:47,760
we took it to

688
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,120
to a lab to have it tested as well but

689
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,559
yeah but a lot of these are just claims

690
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,240
by people who say yes i know it's from

691
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:56,000
ufo because i saw it it was dropping

692
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,120
parts or whatever

693
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,520
so they bring it to to people and they

694
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,760
they tell the this incredible story

695
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,799
and for whatever reason those people buy

696
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,960
into it or don't bother to do any other

697
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,159
investigation

698
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,480
and they think wow we've got some some

699
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,240
unearthly material here

700
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,000
and that's where all this stuff starts

701
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,760
and so you have people like like eric

702
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,200
davis and all these people who were

703
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,039
involved in some of the acquisition and

704
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,799
testing of some of this material

705
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,480
we know to the stars academy was doing

706
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,919
that too going around to some of these

707
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,760
people who made these claims of having

708
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,559
said material and so they acquire that

709
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:29,520
and they store it

710
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,720
and they test it but aside from

711
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,080
you know the claims that are made by

712
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,799
people who deliver this material

713
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,640
that's all they have to work with you

714
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,159
know and then they can do the testing

715
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,080
that we've all seen done many times

716
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,840
with different metal or metallurgy

717
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,440
testing um

718
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,200
you know they can tell that there are

719
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,520
some interesting isotopes here

720
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,200
or some indication that it might have

721
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:53,360
been manufactured in a zero gravity

722
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,400
environment

723
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,520
but you know aside from those things

724
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,520
there is no providence i mean you you

725
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,440
can't prove that any of these materials

726
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,279
are from a ufo

727
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,919
and talking about modifying buildings to

728
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,000
house ufos that's the illusion

729
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,600
or assumption that's created this

730
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,679
narrative that they're full flying

731
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,640
saucers or

732
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,799
giant pieces of extraterrestrial

733
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,559
spacecraft that are being collected and

734
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,520
stored

735
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,200
but when it comes down to it they're

736
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:20,480
talking about these little pieces of

737
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,679
metal that you know

738
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,880
some you can barely pick up with

739
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,440
tweezers i mean that's the ufo material

740
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,799
that's being tested

741
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,039
and is generating you know some interest

742
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,480
because they do display

743
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,480
some interesting properties some of this

744
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,240
material very very

745
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,400
little of this material but there is

746
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:38,000
material that is fantastic

747
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,520
and needs additional testing and

748
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,279
studying and could potentially be from a

749
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,480
flying saucer

750
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,480
but that's what we're working with it's

751
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,080
not warehouses full of build

752
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,230
that you know of that we know of that's

753
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,679
a very good point maureen

754
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,320
very good point well you know and there

755
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,840
is a lot of talk about

756
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,760
you know the world taking a new interest

757
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,600
in ufos and how

758
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,120
countries around the world are starting

759
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,799
to take this seriously well

760
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,279
we all know that many countries have for

761
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,960
decades and decades taking this quite

762
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,919
seriously

763
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,240
but nicaragua was a country that was

764
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:13,919
making headlines this month

765
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:16,799
for this strange and unexpected interest

766
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,360
in

767
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,880
so you want to talk about that maureen

768
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,520
sure and and we'll keep this brief and

769
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,480
again

770
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,240
like jason mentioned there's so many

771
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,760
countries around the world that that

772
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:29,840
actually do have established

773
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,520
um specific agencies for

774
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,000
for researching unknown phenomena and or

775
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,679
space activity

776
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,159
so nicaragua made a lot of headlines

777
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,279
because

778
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:43,360
their president daniel ortega put

779
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,480
forward this

780
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:47,039
this ministry basically they are

781
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,240
referring it to the

782
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:50,320
national ministry for extraterrestrial

783
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,440
space affairs

784
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,480
the moon and other celestial bodies

785
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:57,120
so uh a quite a mouthful of a title but

786
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,159
um

787
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:01,360
uh it passed

788
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,640
almost unanimously 76 out of 92

789
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:07,440
members which are mostly uh from the

790
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,320
sandisk

791
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:11,120
danista party which is the president's

792
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,919
party

793
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:13,840
um so that's kind of a little you know

794
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,480
how that swings sometimes yeah but

795
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,679
the reason why this is kind of

796
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:22,320
interesting is because nicaragua is

797
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:23,360
facing

798
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:26,559
a lot of hurdles with even keeping their

799
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,240
their citizens fed um

800
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,600
and putting forth money into

801
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:35,360
space affairs where they don't even have

802
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,640
the scientific

803
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:39,600
uh resources or technical backgrounds to

804
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,480
jump into

805
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,360
i don't want to say like oh yeah you

806
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:45,279
shouldn't be forming a space uh

807
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,480
committee because i believe that

808
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,320
everyone should have the opportunity to

809
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,919
jump into the space game

810
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,159
however uh take care of your residents

811
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,000
first probably and and it's facing a lot

812
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,000
of backlash within its own country

813
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:59,039
um they haven't had a lot of information

814
00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:59,679
about

815
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,120
what the uh the ministry is actually

816
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,200
going to do they report that it will

817
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,799
promote the development of space

818
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,120
activities with the aim of broadening

819
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,880
the country's capacities in the fields

820
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,440
of education education industry science

821
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:14,720
and technology

822
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,080
so that's a pretty broad statement

823
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,360
um and we'll see

824
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,520
what they do with it but again this is

825
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,880
kind of one of those things where it

826
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,559
seems like you're just throwing money

827
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,399
into a

828
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,720
garbage disposal and there's a lot of

829
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:32,159
other problems that could be addressed

830
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,120
right now

831
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,000
it's very political heavy and

832
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,159
controversial so

833
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,000
i don't know again like i said i don't

834
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,080
want to discourage anybody from jumping

835
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,760
in the space game but

836
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:46,399
it seems like it's kind of a wasted

837
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,880
effort

838
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:49,520
here what do you guys think they don't

839
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,399
even have a space

840
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,640
program i mean it's ridiculous yes maybe

841
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,000
this is to help them establish

842
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:56,640
a space program and i understand that

843
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:57,279
but

844
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,399
you have a country that doesn't even

845
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,159
have a space program they're not players

846
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,600
in the space game

847
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,760
and while i understand the desire to get

848
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,200
into that game

849
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,799
their country like you said is dealing

850
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,320
with a lot of other things that seem a

851
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,679
little more important than getting

852
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,279
involved in space

853
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,200
um even their own military is like

854
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,799
questioning it and saying look we can't

855
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:17,600
how is this going to happen yeah because

856
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,000
it is

857
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:19,679
is under the leadership of the

858
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:27,029
well the the dilemma we run into with

859
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:27,440
that

860
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,760
too is here in america with the the uap

861
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,000
task force the pentagon thing i mean

862
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,000
recently george knapp discovered

863
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:38,399
that uh and i think we kind of knew this

864
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,279
going into it too

865
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,440
like there's no budget for this thing

866
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,440
and even if there were

867
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,520
people like luis elizondo have come

868
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,120
forward and said

869
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,520
this task force here in america was kind

870
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,640
of built to

871
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,640
to fail from the beginning like we're

872
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:54,399
not giving them enough time to look at

873
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:54,960
the

874
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,960
money attached and

875
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,279
he's even said here in america we have

876
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,720
much more important things to worry

877
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,000
about we're still in

878
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,880
the middle of a pandemic uh there's

879
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:08,640
political strife here in america as

880
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,039
there

881
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,440
always is um and we're dealing with a

882
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,799
lot of issues so

883
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,720
it's understandable why somewhere like

884
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,360
nicaragua or even here in america

885
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:20,640
why like finding out what ufos

886
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,000
are or aren't isn't a priority right now

887
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,720
and yeah and that angers me too because

888
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,679
i'm like why now

889
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,200
why does all this have to be happening

890
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:31,279
now in the middle of all this other

891
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,679
stuff

892
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:34,480
or was it meant to be that way so yeah

893
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:34,960
that's

894
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,240
it's kind of like a

895
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,159
look at us we're here uh we're doing

896
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,320
something weird uh pay attention to us i

897
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,480
mean nicaragua hasn't had any vaccines

898
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,320
sent to them yet

899
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,240
so you're looking at like you said all

900
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,600
these major things happening in a

901
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,320
pandemic

902
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,640
and and this is so off the wall that you

903
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,360
know

904
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,960
that right now space and

905
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,480
extraterrestrial news is

906
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,640
is receiving so much attention that it's

907
00:32:02,789 --> 00:31:59,760
it's like

908
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,799
don't forget about us we're here yeah

909
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,760
yeah i mean i i sort of think this is

910
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,840
something that will dissolve and go away

911
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:10,000
uh especially because i think the

912
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,880
current president

913
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,480
they're going to have an election coming

914
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:15,200
up so who knows if this administration

915
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,760
and the

916
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:18,080
the crazy extraterrestrial program is is

917
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,039
going to survive

918
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,080
but uh um something else that uh you

919
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,120
know i love

920
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,320
i love love love stories about

921
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,960
uh pilots and ufos especially when we're

922
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,360
talking about commercial airlines

923
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,000
and ufo encounters and we certainly had

924
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,600
one of those this month um

925
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,000
ryan you want to tell us about that yeah

926
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,919
yeah absolutely this is exciting

927
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:41,440
you know we've been looking at the same

928
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,559
damn three ufo videos for the past few

929
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,519
years now

930
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,760
um it's good to get another prominent

931
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,120
case out there um

932
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,559
yeah so i'm just going to read this here

933
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,799
on sunday february 21st

934
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:55,279
around 1 p.m american airlines flight

935
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,320
2292

936
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,799
was enroute from kentucky to phoenix

937
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:00,399
arizona and while they were flying over

938
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,440
new mexico

939
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,360
something whizzed past the passenger

940
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,840
flight and caught the pilot's attention

941
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,679
and he immediately called the towers in

942
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,399
albuquerque new mexico to report it

943
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,640
and there's actually a 15 second audio

944
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,640
clip that's been made public of the

945
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,720
initial report of what the pilots saw

946
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,799
have any targets up here we just had

947
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,640
something to go right over the top of us

948
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:23,279
and i hate to say this look like a long

949
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,080
cylindrical

950
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,760
object it almost looked like a cruise

951
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,760
missile type of thing moving really fast

952
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,200
that went right over the top of them

953
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,080
yeah so this audio was actually obtained

954
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,399
by an airline radio enthusiast stephen

955
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,360
douglas

956
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,360
who captured the uh the chatter and put

957
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,720
it up on his blog

958
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,799
and american airlines later confirmed

959
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,880
that the audio was authentic

960
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,360
and referred all further questions to

961
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:47,519
the fbi which i found pretty interesting

962
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,000
this

963
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,480
clearly is a serious matter um if it's

964
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:52,960
going to the fbi and um

965
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,760
let's see the they said quote following

966
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,679
a debrief with our flight crew and

967
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,120
additional information

968
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,960
received we can confirm this radio

969
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:03,039
transmission came from an american

970
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,000
airlines flight

971
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,960
on february 21st um so then american

972
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,639
airlines said in a statement

973
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,480
that quote for any additional questions

974
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,480
on this we encourage you to reach out

975
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:15,280
to the fbi so i know for a fact john

976
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,079
greenwald

977
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,240
um uh david marlar who lives in

978
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:20,720
albuquerque new mexico

979
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:23,919
where this happened they both have filed

980
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,440
foia requests um i have as well

981
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,119
i'm pretty sure they're gonna get stuff

982
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,040
on it because i don't really know what

983
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:33,440
i'm doing with those things i just say

984
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,359
government give me pilot ufo stuffs and

985
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,960
i don't really know what i'm doing so

986
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:40,960
i'm sure we'll get some stuff for them

987
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,320
but um this is this kind of

988
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,839
stays in line with this trend we're

989
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:47,679
seeing with pilots i mean there was the

990
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:49,399
ireland case in um

991
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,960
2018 i think um there was the northern

992
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,040
california and oregon case

993
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,000
where the jets were scrambled uh where

994
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,520
else there were there were other ones as

995
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,720
well um phoenix

996
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,320
also on the border of phoenix and new

997
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,920
mexico yeah yep

998
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,680
so this just keeps going down the line

999
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:07,839
of pilots are seeing things

1000
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:10,720
2018. so um i think it's exciting

1001
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:11,839
supposedly

1002
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,720
the pilot um the pilot is going to come

1003
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,160
forward and talk about it

1004
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,480
i've heard from several sources um which

1005
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,920
surprises me because usually the

1006
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,440
airlines keep a tight lip

1007
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,920
on that sort of thing so um yeah i think

1008
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,680
again it's a developing case

1009
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,000
and hopefully we'll get more audio data

1010
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,320
uh in the coming weeks or months from

1011
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:33,680
someone like a greenwald or david marlar

1012
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,200
yeah and i suspect like a great like

1013
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,160
no i i mean fortunately yeah uh tyler

1014
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,119
rogue away from

1015
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:43,599
from the drive in the war zone um is on

1016
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,400
top of this

1017
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,320
and he's very good at these types of

1018
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,520
cases he knows

1019
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:50,800
aviation very well and

1020
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,440
he's shown to be very good at obtaining

1021
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:58,560
faa audio and that will be valuable to

1022
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,040
have

1023
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,520
the various types of communication that

1024
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:03,520
occur not just from the pilot to the

1025
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,400
ground

1026
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,560
but like in the other cases like the

1027
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,320
oregon case you mentioned

1028
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,720
you know where we hear communication

1029
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,000
from the ground um

1030
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,839
you know as they're radioing around

1031
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,440
trying to get more clarification on

1032
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:17,040
things and and trying to figure out what

1033
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,560
the procedures are to deal with this

1034
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,440
type of thing

1035
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,040
it's fascinating but something else

1036
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,359
that's also fascinating to watch unfold

1037
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,720
when we see stories like this come out

1038
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,160
is there's a whole lot of assumption

1039
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:30,000
that starts taking place instead of

1040
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,119
waiting for

1041
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,440
information and confirmation to take

1042
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,079
place there's a lot of assumption and

1043
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,680
something specifically i saw with this

1044
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,520
case was a lot of assumption

1045
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,400
that this was a near-miss case and at

1046
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,920
this point we don't have anything to

1047
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,240
indicate that this was a near miss

1048
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,839
you know the pilot didn't say something

1049
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:50,560
almost hit us or something barely missed

1050
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,280
us

1051
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,960
he says that went over the top of them

1052
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,040
very fast that's all we know

1053
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,560
we don't know how close it was to the

1054
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,160
aircraft we don't know if the pilot

1055
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,520
thought they were in danger

1056
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,520
he was just from the audio he was just

1057
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,599
inquiring if there was something else in

1058
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,119
the sky because obviously they didn't

1059
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,560
see it on their scopes

1060
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,400
so we don't know that this was a

1061
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,359
near-miss case or anybody was in danger

1062
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,599
but we do have this unknown that

1063
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:14,880
seemingly nobody

1064
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,920
nobody knew was in the sky but then

1065
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,480
again

1066
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,960
we don't know what this fbi angle is

1067
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:22,480
because that's something we saw right

1068
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,040
away

1069
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:26,240
was check with the fbi but we know from

1070
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,160
the request that was given for this uap

1071
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:32,400
report by the senate select committee on

1072
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,280
intelligence

1073
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,240
that the fbi is one of the sources that

1074
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,920
they request the data from for that

1075
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,280
report

1076
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,400
and so i suspect what we're seeing here

1077
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:45,520
is that the fbi is probably in a normal

1078
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,920
role

1079
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,240
of dealing with these types of scenarios

1080
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,030
has really not been the ones

1081
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,599
involved in near misses or investigating

1082
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,280
this type of stuff which is completely

1083
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,040
bizarre to me i don't get that

1084
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,960
but that seems to have always been the

1085
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,280
case so i'm suspecting the fbi

1086
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,359
probably has been assigned the role of

1087
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,839
something like the uk's air prox board

1088
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:12,320
where they are responsible for

1089
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,440
investigating

1090
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,480
this type of of air mystery air incident

1091
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,680
whatever you want to call it

1092
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,480
it's probably the purview of the fbi in

1093
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:22,160
our country at this time because the faa

1094
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,640
seems

1095
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,359
ill-equipped to do that yeah i should

1096
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,480
add to jason

1097
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,280
oh i'm sorry maureen oh no no you go oh

1098
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,560
i was just gonna add i

1099
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,119
completely forgot to mention this i mean

1100
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,960
you know the guy who originally obtained

1101
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,000
the audio

1102
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,040
he he did say because the big

1103
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:41,200
the big question is was this a missile

1104
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,320
of some sort

1105
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,640
um they said the way it moved and the

1106
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:46,800
shape was cylindrical and this that

1107
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:49,599
um the guy who got the audio says they

1108
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,400
don't

1109
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,160
the military doesn't test things on

1110
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,839
sundays when this occurred

1111
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:56,480
so that kind of um negates that and then

1112
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,200
even

1113
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,200
so far as tyler rogue away talk to

1114
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,599
someone at white sands missile range the

1115
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,720
closest range

1116
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,240
that would have been near there and

1117
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:06,160
their spokesperson said we have no idea

1118
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,119
what it could have been

1119
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:09,119
or if anything similar has been cited in

1120
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,240
that area before

1121
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,200
it was not something of ours so i mean

1122
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,400
again yeah

1123
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,320
that no wonder that the fbi is now

1124
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,680
involved in this if the

1125
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:20,000
closest military range says no it wasn't

1126
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,280
us so

1127
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,359
yeah sorry i just i i should have added

1128
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:25,119
that this definitely was not a missile

1129
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,040
as far as we know yeah and and i was

1130
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:31,440
about to say the same point basically

1131
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,400
ryan and

1132
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,359
and you have to imagine as a pilot how

1133
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:36,720
terrifying that would be

1134
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,079
if you think that there's a missile uh

1135
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:42,640
ahead of you that you had no idea was

1136
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,599
was

1137
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:46,079
being shot i mean that's there's a lot

1138
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,040
of terrifying

1139
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,920
uh ramifications that can go through

1140
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:51,200
your head at that point

1141
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,119
um and and also the fact that now we

1142
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:56,960
have this reported

1143
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,160
unknown object that is similar

1144
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,119
in um sort of a description to the tic

1145
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,960
tac ufo video as well

1146
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,640
um so i'm sure and i don't want to read

1147
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,599
between the lines or anything here but

1148
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,839
you know you have just the white uh

1149
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:12,880
cylindrical

1150
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:16,000
objects that are being spotted lately

1151
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:19,599
either yes it's some sort of internal

1152
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,880
uh black budget project is it another

1153
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,800
country testing over us or doing

1154
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:25,680
something weird

1155
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,400
observations or is this the new flying

1156
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,280
saucer

1157
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,040
from some sort of extraterrestrial

1158
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:33,040
civilization it's a lot to think about

1159
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,599
but uh

1160
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,560
it's it's definitely a pattern i think

1161
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:38,640
we're seeing here

1162
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,760
absolutely and also let's not discount

1163
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:42,960
the possibility

1164
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:47,280
that even people who are

1165
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,839
uh you know high quality observers like

1166
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:52,560
pilots

1167
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,319
mistakes we know that they're humans

1168
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,920
they're not super humans they are pretty

1169
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,720
super but

1170
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,240
they're still humans and they are

1171
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,319
fallible and

1172
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,000
even when you see something in the sky

1173
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,920
that you've seen a million times before

1174
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,400
there are

1175
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,800
always conditions when that same thing

1176
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,640
you've seen a thousand times before

1177
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,640
can appear differently than you've ever

1178
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,920
seen it because

1179
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,079
of the time of day because of the

1180
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,920
atmospheric conditions

1181
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,560
lots of things are at play especially in

1182
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,240
the sky where all sorts of things are

1183
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,520
going on and change

1184
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:26,720
all the time so we can't discount that

1185
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,040
this

1186
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,640
is something mundane and could

1187
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,800
potentially be just another plane

1188
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,160
um you know we've seen things at

1189
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,000
skinwalker ranch and other places

1190
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,319
all over the country where there are

1191
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,000
conventional aircraft

1192
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,720
that for some reason or another aren't

1193
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,520
able to be trapped by radar

1194
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,560
this happens so again

1195
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,880
we have a lot to assume with this case

1196
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,560
and you know people like mick west and

1197
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,400
others even pointed out that

1198
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,720
several minutes before this call came in

1199
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:56,640
there was a leader jet that went over

1200
00:42:03,109 --> 00:41:57,040
that

1201
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,119
when this pilot decided to call it in

1202
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,640
how soon before

1203
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,440
after or immediately that call was made

1204
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,880
they could have waited nine minutes they

1205
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,480
could have been talking to each other

1206
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,400
huh do we call this in are we gonna seem

1207
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,160
weird are we gonna lose our jobs maybe

1208
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,640
we shouldn't talk about seeing a ufo

1209
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,480
you know we don't know if any of that

1210
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,400
happened we're operating with

1211
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,400
assumption we just have a short audio

1212
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:24,160
clip that says something went over us

1213
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,599
and i hate to say it it looked like a

1214
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,480
cruise missile

1215
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,280
that's all we have to work with we're

1216
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,280
guaranteed to get more information about

1217
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,800
this because it's so

1218
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,880
high profile at this point and we've got

1219
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,400
a lot of great researchers

1220
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,319
looking into it so we're gonna get more

1221
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,000
audio we're going to get more data to

1222
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,359
work with and i am excited about that

1223
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,839
and yeah you're right uh a learjet yeah

1224
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:46,640
that was just a

1225
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,079
shooting missile however

1226
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:52,880
just one point i would make if we are to

1227
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,000
believe the pilot's testimony

1228
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,960
and he saw a cylindrical object fly over

1229
00:43:03,190 --> 00:42:59,839
them

1230
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:03,200
and it did not appear on raider radar

1231
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:06,880
that precludes it being a missile

1232
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,240
or a rocket or an airplane see what i'm

1233
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,599
saying

1234
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,079
no rate the radar's picking up his plane

1235
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,480
this thing's a thousand feet above him

1236
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,720
and it doesn't pick hit that up that's

1237
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,880
curious very curious

1238
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,640
to my knowledge there's no such thing as

1239
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,640
a stealth missile

1240
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:27,200
so like you were saying jason did he

1241
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,480
really see what he

1242
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,720
thought he saw you know was there really

1243
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,920
something there

1244
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,079
wasn't on radar but on the other hand if

1245
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,440
you believe him

1246
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,800
there was something there that didn't

1247
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:38,880
appear on radar i mean it's quite a

1248
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,599
little

1249
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:42,000
mystery right now and we do need no

1250
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,119
doubt he saw something

1251
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,160
yeah yeah for sure

1252
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,480
well i'm excited i love these cases and

1253
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,760
again i love

1254
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,319
having confidence in the people i know

1255
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:54,400
who are chasing this story

1256
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,910
evidence real real support supporting

1257
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,880
information

1258
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:05,359
to go along with the story and give us

1259
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,920
more

1260
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,240
clarity into what actually took place

1261
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,680
that's always exciting because as we

1262
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,800
know with most

1263
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,920
ufo stories you hear the initial report

1264
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,040
and that's all you're going to get

1265
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:16,480
there's not going to be a follow-up

1266
00:44:20,839 --> 00:44:24,150
information

1267
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,430
well citizens that's gonna do it for

1268
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,040
this episode you can always find more

1269
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,560
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1270
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:30,240
podcast platforms and you can always

1271
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,880
find the show

1272
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,280
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1273
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:34,800
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1274
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,520
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1275
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,680
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1276
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,800
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1277
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,240
thanks again for hanging out today i'm

1278
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,160
jason mcclellan i'm maureen elsberry

1279
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,040
i'm ryan sprague and i'm shane hurt do

1280
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,880
us a favor friends always treat the ufo

1281
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,079
subject with the cautious and

1282
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,400
responsible skepticism it deserves

1283
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,640
question everything have the courage to

1284
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,240
form your own opinions

1285
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,160
keep truth as the focus of your quest

1286
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:57,680
even if the truth conflicts with your